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SFC16 Day 38 Tribal Council

August 1st, 2017, 9:49 pm

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Reply SWSU-Master, August 1st, 2017, 9:59 pm

And with this. The Final Three is Settled, and Bowser Jr. Falls as the 8th and Final Juror, just as his dad is the 8th and Final Bosses in the games.

Okay, so I don't think it's wrong of me to say that Bowser Jr. is my best kid character in all of SFC. He had the Plucky Nature to Do better and some funny moments, but also the Brattiness that you would get from kids his age. There was a very good mix in my opinion of the good and bad qualities of kids in him.

When I was casting this season Bowser and Bowser Jr. were one of the first pairs to be decided on. Since I felt that as a character in this game, he would be a very fun and dynamic character, both with and without Bowser, and it was just such a great dynamic. One of the key things I wanted in this season was for two people who did not start as a pair would find themselves replacing their loved one in the game with that person. That's where Vinnie and Bowser Jr's story really took off. Bowser Jr. was the Apprentice Vinnie always wanted, and Vinnie was a good person Junior could learn and Thrive from in the game. I had considered the option (Especially very on in development) on having one of them betray the other, but the more I thought about it. Despite being villains, they did have a genuine bond (Although in a Final Two situation I feel that both would take each other out.)

There is a bit more about Bowser Jr. But some of that will need to wait until after the season ends. But for now, Bowser Junior, one of my favorite castaways to write for this season, and possibly all time. Is out. And Vinnie, Doris, and Sierra will be facing the Jury.

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Reply Tailslover13, August 1st, 2017, 10:02 pm

Yeah, pretty much what I saw coming. It would've been far too obvious for an actual Mario representative to make the the Mushroom Kingdom. So, I knew Bowser Jr. sadly wasn't going to make the end. I knew he'd come close, but wind up just short. And, losing to Doris makes perfect sense; she helped him out when he needed it, but ultimately "mother knows best". And mother will always take you down. So, yeah, Doris wins, but the only real unknown is how many votes Vinnie/Sierra will get, because I really don't think Vinnie is getting 2nd. The edit has made him look incredibly unlikable, regardless if Tialayla said that she respects him. But, let's focus on Bowser Jr. for this moment. Overall, I loved him. A MUCH better kid character than Skylar, Oran, Juli, and any others we might've had that I've forgotten about. Yes, he was bratty and annoying...but, ALL KIDS ARE! Plus, look at who his father is. You can't hold that against him. At his heart, he's a charming, lovable, devious little bastard, and I love him for that. When a villain is written in a fun, comedic, cute way (Xeradonus, Bowser), then it works. When they're written to be taken very seriously (Matt, Desmond), it falls flat. So, I really enjoyed seeing him progress through the game as Vinnie's sidekick, making a few moves of his own, and actually trying his hardest to make his dad proud and make HIMSELF proud. His arc was really great, and I'd love to see him return for another chance to see how much he can progress without Bowser OR Vinnie. While it's true I would've loved to see both him AND Doris in the end, that was never going to happen. So, sadly, this is where he winds up. He was awesome.

1. Riley (Adore) [OUT]
2. Bowser Jr. (Adore) [OUT]
3. Bowser (Adore) [OUT]
4. Brandi (Adore) [OUT]
5. Vinnie (Adore)
6. Doris (Love)
7. Bradley (Love) [OUT]
8. Damon (Love) [OUT]
9. Tialayla (Like) [OUT]
10. Clydia (Like) [OUT]
11. Cassidy (Like) [OUT]
12. Lewis (Neutral) [OUT]
13. Scott (Hate) [OUT]
14. Bonnie (Hate) [OUT]
15. Rosella (Despise) [OUT]
16. Angelo (Despise) [OUT]
17. Iyzebel (Despise) [OUT]
18. Sierra (Despise)
19. Thorne (Despise) [OUT]
20. Eli (Despise) [OUT]

Reply SWSU-Master, August 1st, 2017, 10:29 pm

@Tailslover13: Even after losing your Top Two back to back, I'm surprised how positive you are about this

Reply Tailslover13, August 1st, 2017, 10:33 pm

@SWSU-Master: Each season makes me feel a different way for different reasons.

Reply rac567 (Guest), August 1st, 2017, 10:02 pm

I am surprised yet at the same time a lot of people predicted this.

Reply DryIceBros, August 1st, 2017, 10:05 pm

I have no idea why this page gave me so much pain, even before I actually read it.

Reply SWSU-Master, August 1st, 2017, 10:29 pm

@DryIceBros: Indigestion?

Reply ChronoAlone, August 1st, 2017, 10:05 pm


Reply dat4yc, August 1st, 2017, 10:12 pm

@ChronoAlone: Hey, the winner may be obvious but at least we get to see Sierra get chewed out by the jury in spectacular fashion! XD

Reply ChronoAlone, August 1st, 2017, 10:15 pm

@dat4yc: I don't care.

Reply dat4yc, August 1st, 2017, 10:16 pm

@ChronoAlone: Well damn ok then..

Reply ChronoAlone, August 1st, 2017, 10:22 pm

@dat4yc: Sorry. I'm having a rough night, and this didn't help.

Reply dat4yc, August 1st, 2017, 10:31 pm

@ChronoAlone: Sorry to hear it. Hope things get better!

Reply SWSU-Master, August 1st, 2017, 10:29 pm

@ChronoAlone: Eek a snake!

Reply rac567 (Guest), August 1st, 2017, 10:08 pm

Sorry Vinnie looks like your goal to get rid of Doris before the final three or two failed miserably. Unless Vinnie makes a good final three speech, there is no way Doris can lose.

Reply SWSU-Master, August 1st, 2017, 10:31 pm

@rac567: Although at the same time. Doris's many many votes against Vinnie also failed miserably

Reply rac567 (Guest), August 1st, 2017, 10:46 pm

@SWSU-Master: Yeah Doris wasn't anymore successful in getting rid of Vinnie then Vinnie was in trying to eliminating her. However I think its karmic that Doris managed to get to the final three since Vinnie got Brad eliminated and was a total jerk about it.

Reply Pout123 (Guest), August 1st, 2017, 10:08 pm

I'm very annoyed right now. After that Sierra has to be one of my least favorite players ever. Congrats to Doris but the final three would have been so interesting with her getting voted out here.

Reply SWSU-Master, August 1st, 2017, 10:32 pm

@Pout123: Sierra just can't catch a break lol

Reply Blastoise_FTW, August 1st, 2017, 10:10 pm

AAAAND Sierra had made the WORST MOVE OF AL TIME!

Jr wasn't bad, I guess.

Time for Doris to win with the votes of everything to ever exist

Reply SWSU-Master, August 1st, 2017, 10:32 pm

@Blastoise_FTW: Jeff can't vote....

Reply dat4yc, August 1st, 2017, 10:11 pm

As I expected. Congrats, most likely, to Doris! I really don't see how she doesn't win this at this point she has wayyyyyyy too many friends on the jury.

Bowser Jr. had one of the best arcs this season, and his little comment about being the final boss was really quite heartwarming in a strange way XD. I was a big fan of his this season, but I do think it was his time to go.

Can't wait to see the grand finale!

Also lol at Sierra making the stupidest move possible. Clearly she just wanted to defy Vinnie.

Reply SWSU-Master, August 1st, 2017, 10:33 pm

@dat4yc: I mean, had Doris lost the tiebreaker it might have won Sierra the game.

Reply dat4yc, August 1st, 2017, 10:35 pm

@SWSU-Master: Good point! Hadn't thought about it that way!

Reply Haroldisgod (Guest), August 1st, 2017, 10:20 pm

I have this feeling.....
That somehow swsu master is fooling us all and that vinnie actually wins. It's not a prediction, just a feeling.

Reply SWSU-Master, August 1st, 2017, 10:33 pm

@Haroldisgod: It is a mystery.....

Reply guesty (Guest), August 1st, 2017, 10:22 pm

Rip Bowser Jr. you were really great.

I love this final 3 (including Sierra, who I have a lot to talk about)
lol what if Sierra somehow pulls a Kristie and ends up winning.

Reply SWSU-Master, August 1st, 2017, 10:34 pm

@guesty: That'd be something lol

Reply GaryHawkinsLandscaper, August 1st, 2017, 10:32 pm

Shadow Mario On the Noose Up until the moment of Angelo's blindside, BJ was my main pick to win. But ever since then, I ended up liking him less and less with each passing episode. It's not just the fact that he was being an immature brat, although that certainly did not help. It was the realization that, for all of the praise we've given him, he wasn't that great a player. Sure, he pulled off some complex moves, which I can respect, but when you get down to it, all he did were petty revenge moves to avenge his father. I'm sorry, but as a strategic mastermind, Bowser Jr. was a letdown for me.

However, looking back now, I will say that the *character* Bowser Jr. is something I can totally get behind. And yes, I know I just called him an immature brat, but you know, all that tough kid talk had some charm to it. I'll admit it, he's cute and enjoyable. He's definitely one of the high points of the season.


To all y'alls complaining about this final vote being predictable, here's what I say to you: it's still not as predictable as last season's final vote.

Reply SWSU-Master, August 1st, 2017, 10:34 pm

@GaryHawkinsLandscaper: I dont think I would have pitched Bowser Jr. as a Mastermind. He's clearly a very flawed player.

Reply GaryHawkinsLandscaper, August 1st, 2017, 10:38 pm

@SWSU-Master: Flawed characters are always better.

Reply Yumichika Time, August 1st, 2017, 10:42 pm

As I suspected w/ perhaps a few others, I not only expected Sierra to be the Pivotal vote, but the 1 TIME she finally does the RIGHT thing, It might not help her too much overall w/ Doris as a Finalist officially. However, even so....., Bc Sierra just made that Jury SUPER DUPER happy to even GIVE Doris a CHANCE to fight for her spot (which she won obviously), maybe just MAYBE Sierra might be given a LITTLE break by the Jurors. Now this DOESN'T mean she WON'T get the Ire for much of her earlier flip-flopping, it just means that Sierra may not get COMPLETELY torn apart by this Jury. Hell if anything, the Finalist that MAY get the WORST of it all (likely) is now VINNIE, just for acting like a Pompous ASS for nearly all season long (despite an otherwise Incredible Strategic Game played).

Altogether, Vinnie I believe has absolutely 0% a SHOT in HELL to ever win now w/ Doris as the "Darling/Mother Teresa" of the Finalists. While it's almost a forgone conclusion that Doris gets the Victory, I do also believe that this 1 ACT of defiance by Sierra, MAY score her a BONUS Vote or even 2 (just for FINALLY standing up to Vinnie alone, & giving Doris a Chace for a Tie-Breaker).

Overall, my Final Vote Total is something like this; 5-2-1=Doris as the Winner, Sierra as the Runner-Up, & Vinnie as the 3rd Place Veteran. & w/ that, this FTC should be PRETTY interesting for how they ALL react alone (Jurors/Finalists combined).

Reply SWSU-Master, August 1st, 2017, 11:58 pm

@Yumichika Time: At the very least this will soften the blows any bitter jurors will have towards her.

Reply Smasher 101, August 1st, 2017, 10:43 pm

damn it, Sierra. so I guess Doris wins after all...oh well, she'll be a good winner. not a great winner imo, but a good winner. I think it's going to be deceptively close between her and Vinnie though. 99% sure she'll win but I think he'll get a few votes too. as for Sierra...hey, congrats on making it this far!

as for Junior SWSU put one of my favorite Mario characters on Survivor and that pretty much covers it. was hoping he'd make it all the way, but oh well

Reply SWSU-Master, August 1st, 2017, 11:59 pm

@Smasher 101: 4th Place Fan Favorite spot is still pretty good.

Reply anime9001, August 1st, 2017, 10:54 pm

This was very enjoyable! And although I knew SWSU had been fiddling with Jeff being tricky with the vote reading, he really did get me for a second with the "Doris. Final Vote....." bit. The winner of the season may be extremely obvious now, but this was a very fun comic (especially Bowser Jr. being overjoyed at being the final boss), and I expect the Jury questions to be a treat as well~

Btw, I will say to Sierra's credit, after thinking about it I really do think her best move for this vote was voting for Bowser Jr..... and then Doris *losing* in the tie breaker. I know that keeping Doris in the game gives her NO shot at winning but.....we all know she had no shot the way things was going anyways. And if Sierra had shown that she WAS willing to try to keep Doris in the game, it would have erased a lot of the animosity towards her in this game. Would it have salvaged her game enough to give her the win? Probably not. But she'd be getting more than one vote like she's getting now....

Reply Yumichika Time, August 1st, 2017, 11:16 pm

@anime9001: THANK YOU GOD, that someone REASONABLE like you SPELLED it out to the PICKET, that Sierra actually DID something that HELPED her game for once. Sure as I stated bf, I'm not fully expecting a Sierra victory of course, but this act alone still MIGHT have gained her an extra vote or 2. & hey, by those standards she'd almost be Guaranteed for RU at the VERY least!

Sadly it does get fairly annoying to see pure "I hate Sierra for this/that for being stupid/useless/etc." So this is again a HUGE breathe of fresh air to see/hear from someone else besides me. Even if we don't fully agree on everything Anime9001, at least you helped fully expressed why Sierra's move here made REAL sense (to likely APPEASE the Jurors some). ^_^

Reply anime9001, August 2nd, 2017, 6:33 pm

@Yumichika Time: And I made my comment before I ever saw yours :p I kinda just assumed I'd be the only person to defend Sierra's actions here~

However, there is one main thing I disagree with you on. I'm still quite certain Vinnie is getting runner up over Sierra. Now, if Doris LOST the tiebreaker, then I think this move gave Sierra at least a shot at winning, but since Doris won it, pretty much every vote Sierra could have earned with this move is going towards Doris anyways. And the two people who are probably the biggest uncertainties among the jurors circumstantially aren't here due to food poisoning....

But my biggest reason, honestly, while I don't know how "edits" work, is because Vinnie's game was shown in too positive of a light compared to Sierra's for Sierra to beat him, even with standing up for herself here and Vinnie being generally hated among the jury. Out of all of the jurors, the only one I think is a real toss-up is Angelo, so he'll probably be the one to keep the runner-ups from tying by voting for Vinnie.

At least, that's my take on the situation.

Reply SWSU-Master, August 2nd, 2017, 12:00 am

@anime9001: That is exactly it in regards to Sierra's vote. If she went to the end with Jr/Vinnie and voted Doris out. She'd have no shot at her or Brads votes, but if she did try and save her. That would be a big plus for her.

Reply Yumichika Time, August 2nd, 2017, 3:46 pm

@SWSU-Master: Hey uh SWSU, if you can PLEASE let me know about answering this Question (either publically or Privately is fine by me), It's this here;

Do you have ANY form of rule Whatsoever, for in case we EVER get a TIE for RU (since Doris looks like a Solid Winner, but we've NEVER seen a Tie bf for RU bh the Winner in SFC history)? I REALLY want to know so that we (or I myself mainly) finally get concrete PROOF on what HAPPENS, since this looks like there's a STRONG chance that we DO get a tie for RU here in SFC16 - BvW.

Please let me know ASAP on this matter, thank you. ^_^

Reply Tiger03 (Guest), August 2nd, 2017, 1:11 am

Everyone saying this was the worst move Sierra could've made, she had no chance in hell of winning either way. At least this way she's now finally done something independent of Vinnie. Still, current predictions for the final vote are that Thorne votes for Sierra and Bowser Jr. votes for Vinnie while every other vote goes to Doris.

Reply Sonofhades, August 2nd, 2017, 1:21 am

Uggghhhhhh. And from here on out, the season is a snoozefest, only broken up by every Jury member getting to chew out Sierra. Time for Doris to get all of the votes save Thorne's and take the title away from more entertaining players. I think I'm starting to dislike Sierra more than Melanie at this point, and I HATE Melanie. At least Junior got to go out like a champ. He was one of my absolute favorites this season and I really wanted him to make final three with Vinnie and Waste of Roster Space.

Reply Guest, August 2nd, 2017, 5:38 am

Well Doris wins. Sierra wasn't winning anyway, so she made one last move before getting only Thorne's vote and nothing else.

Angelo. Angelo's vote is up in the air. He could vote for anyone.
Brandi. Brandi's likely going to vote for Doris. Sierra betrayed her, and she hates Vinnie.
Bradley. Bradley's definitely voting for his wife.
Damon. Considering Damon voted for Tapioca last season... I don't know how he's going to vote. Likely votes Doris, doesn't vote Vinnie likely, probably avoids Sierra.
Tialayla. Votes for Doris. LOL at Sierra, LOL at Vinnie.
Thorne. Votes for Sierra. Her only vote.
Riley. Votes for Doris just like Tialayla does.
Bowser Jr. Votes for Vinnie.

So my guess is that Thorne only votes for Sierra, Angelo and Bowser Jr vote for Vinnie. Everyone else votes for Doris.

WINNER - Doris
RUNNER UP - Vinnie
LOSER - Sierra

Reply qazox, August 2nd, 2017, 7:54 am

Vinnie better have a amazing F3 speech ready... 'cause Sierra just handed Doris the win on a platter.

Reply NateInDisney (Guest), August 2nd, 2017, 8:39 am

Anddd Doris wins [5-2-1] (I want a Vinnie win more... but I'm fine with either, just not Sierra).

Doris: Bradley, Damon, Brandi, T, Riley
Vinnie: Angelo, Bowser Jr.
Sierra: Thorne

Doris is pretty much guaranteed 4 I can't see how she loses unless a surprise final 2 as Vinnie stabs someone

Reply SkySurfer, August 2nd, 2017, 1:05 pm

Oh well, at least he really is a formidable final jury member.
Junior was one of the earliest contestants I could easily root for. He questioned his father's short term villain plans but formed his own big moves. He seemed the most likely winner to me for a very long time but once I saw him winning so many immunities in a row and basing his bigger moves on personal vendetta I started to have my doubts. I would have loved to see him compete with Vinnie but it wasn't meant to be.

Definite win for Doris with only Junior and Thorne voting for the others? This would be kinda boring so I hope Vinnie left a bit more of an impression than just being the mean old veteran.

Reply RedBeryl, August 2nd, 2017, 3:53 pm

Man, I'm really late. Not that anyone really cares, but meh.

So THERE'S the Survivor eating challenge... Angelo vs Damon in the Poison Mushroom challenge. Been a while since we had one~

Eh. Junior's more of a #7 in my Mario rankings, but I haven't put much thought into it. I should do that one day.

*Snrk* Junior's initials makes me laugh. I know I shouldn't and it's damn childish, but dammit I can't help it. I probably wouldn't have even noticed if Sierra didn't write it down that way.

Soooo... well. Just the wind-down until the Finale. We need streamers. And those little party favor things that unfurls when you blow into 'em. All the stuff to help close out the season! It was a good season~

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