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SFC14 Day 31 Handicaps

June 29th, 2015, 9:57 pm

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Reply SWSU-Master, June 29th, 2015, 9:57 pm

Desmond just loves a challenge...

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Reply ChronoAlone, June 29th, 2015, 10:01 pm

I have to say, I actually like Desmond. He's a lot less arrogant as Liz pointed out, and while he is pretty strategically threatning, he's got no idol now, so he should be fairly easy to boot.

Reply Vilecheese, June 29th, 2015, 10:02 pm

No, he clearly doesn't.

Reply coolkyledude, June 29th, 2015, 10:25 pm

Stagg knows something...

Reply ChronoAlone, June 29th, 2015, 10:30 pm

@coolkyledude: ....Jake *BWOM!*

Reply coolkyledude, June 29th, 2015, 10:35 pm

@ChronoAlone: Paging anime9001...

Reply anime9001, June 29th, 2015, 11:52 pm

@coolkyledude: You rang? ;)

In all seriousness though, I don't think this comic has anything to do with the conspiracy theories that I've been ranting and raving about. Stagg knows he has an idol, and Stagg now knows a crucial portion of Desmond's game. That's why Stagg is acting smug.

SWSU escapes my ranting......this time.

Reply coolkyledude, June 30th, 2015, 2:28 am

@anime9001: I was specifically referring to the "You said Final Two..." part. I knew that was going to be important when Desmond first mentioned it and panel 11 of this comic solidified that. The only other time I remember players fixating so closely on the amount of FTC players was in SFC2 when the F3 was just getting off the ground.

I'm guessing Jake returns as an earlier boot or something. I dunno. Adeline maybe? They were both eliminated under weird circumstances in the same episode. John Hunter perhaps? He did have that comment about not being done as he got voted off. No idea how he'd pull it off, but those are my best guesses.

Edit: After thinking about it a bit more, I think it probably will be Hunter, if it ends up being anyone from this cast. We know that Jake's sabotaged Stagg in the past with that one confessional from episode 6, and he was one of the votes for Tyra was he not? Also, I'm still convinced the Jojo we saw talking to Hunter in episode 3 was not in fact Liz, but someone else...

Another possibility that just popped into my head was that maybe it was Jake that killed Stagg's... parents, was it? That's not impossible.

Reply anime9001, June 30th, 2015, 3:04 am

@coolkyledude: I already beat you to that theory in Yukie's boot episode :p (the part of Jake killing Stagg's parents that is)

http://sfc.smackjeeves.com/comics/2149195/sfc14-day-27-tribal-council/

My other points in that comic need some fine-tuning, but I can see that happening now more than I did then.

I don't know what SWSU is planning in full, but I'm quite certain at this point it has nothing to do with Adeline. It....COULD have something to do with Hunter, but I really doubt it. Btw, do you mind linking me to the comic where Jake messes with Stagg's confessional in episode 6? I couldn't fine it.

As for the whole Final 2/Final 3 thing, you're probably right that SWSU is up to something there, but unless Jake literally takes up the third slot, I don't see how that's gonna tie into this whole Dongan Ronpa thing we have going on here. May just be one of those scenes where Jeff is like "Who said we were having a final 2? I never said such a thing."

.......*NB4 It's a final ONE*

Reply coolkyledude, June 30th, 2015, 11:15 am

@anime9001: So you did :P I forgot about that.

*IF* Jake comes back and it's either as or with a previous boot, it'll very probably be John Hunter as opposed to Adeline. However, the fact still stands that they were both eliminated in the same episode, and under unusual circumstances.

Oh, Jake never messed with anyone's confessional, but panel one of this comic...

http://sfc.smackjeeves.com/comics/2126738/sfc14-day-13-turning-point/

...is the only time Jake's ever been directly mentioned since Adeline quit. "...due to a certain someone who is no longer here, my game was quite messy in the early stages..." At first it seems like he's talking about Adeline, but, "...I have taken care of *him* in a very satisfying manner..." He specifically states that "he" screwed with him somehow, and the last male eliminated was Jake.

Well, if it turns out that there are seven people left in the game, then unless there's a double round there will definitely be a final three. Somehow, Stagg knows that a final two is incorrect.

Reply anime9001, June 30th, 2015, 12:33 pm

@coolkyledude: Oh, that. I just assumed he was talking about Hunter after-the-fact, but he probably is talking about Jake there now that you mention it.

On that note however, I think we're over thinking it if we think Jake is bringing someone back. Hunter would have been the one keeping our eyes off of Jake so we didn't expect anything from him, not the other way around. The ONLY question SWSU has answered straightforward is the number of people left in the season is indeed the number we see before us, so we only have 6 people left in the season. Now, that doesn't mean that they are all who we think they are....but they probably are :p *nb4 Diego is the true Jake mastermind*

Also, the reason why I rule out Adeline completely actually has nothing to do with how she was booted, but because she's a fan made character, and SWSU even explained that her maker wanted her to quit the game. She's not coming back.

As for the final two/three thing, it could be one of two things. It could be SWSU's way of all the characters realizing it's a final 2 beforehand so they all prepare that way, or it could be Stagg realizing something is off. We can't really tell that at this point I don't think.

Reply coolkyledude, June 30th, 2015, 2:07 pm

@anime9001: That confessional has been bothering me ever since that comic came out, and that's why I've been one hundred percent on board that Jake and Stagg are related. It's also why that moment with "Jojo" talking to Hunter in episode 3 is so suspect to me - she herself didn't remember it, and it did hurt Stagg's game in being the catalyst for Mac flipping against Tyra. Plus, I don't think Liz had any reason to sabotage either Jojo or Stagg at that point in time.

When did SWSU say that? I don't recall him saying anything like that, but if he did then that could mean anything. Besides, if we continue assuming that Jake and his story is inspired by Danganronpa, *!!GAME/ANIME SPOILERS AHEAD!!* then someone who had been previously eliminated would be the mastermind. It really depends on the nature of Jake - if he didn't count as a player, then maybe there's a secret 18th contestant we don't know about? Or if he does, then did his elimination really "happen" in the reality of SFC? I do think that you were right, and that the person that killed Stagg's parents has relation to this season, but how they relate is the real question.

I totally forgot about Adeline being fan-made. You're probably right about her then.

I don't remember anyone outwardly speculating about the amount of FTC participants in SFC13 or any earlier. If it didn't have some significance, we wouldn't be hearing about it now.

Reply RiceAndBeans (Guest), June 30th, 2015, 2:29 pm

@coolkyledude: For the record, I love how there is so much conspiracy theory this season. XD

Reply coolkyledude, June 30th, 2015, 2:34 pm

@RiceAndBeans: This is what happens when I'm bored on a summer day and have nothing better to do ;)

Reply anime9001, June 30th, 2015, 3:22 pm

@RiceAndBeans: So much fun XD

Reply anime9001, June 30th, 2015, 3:21 pm

@coolkyledude: I was flipping through comics for 10 minutes before I remembered it was when I was checking Deviantart reactions to the Adeline/Jake boot comic that SWSU said that.

BigUno: "All right, I see how it is. But answer me this: How many players are left in this game?"

SWSU:
"12.

Go'Jonga
Liz, Spinfur, Diego, Thorne, Prussia, Mac

Uwassa
Jojo, Ivan, Desmond, Yukie, Desmond, Amelia"

While completely ignoring everyone else's 50 questions about Jake that comic, SWSU goes out of his way not only to state that there are only 12 survivors left, but also who each of the 12 are. If SWSU was gonna bother lying to us, he'd do so in a more open manner without ignoring literally every other question thrown at him. Also, the one error with your theory is that we already KNOW who the 18th player is, just the cast doesn't.

And while you're right that no previous participants have worried about the number of players, they have worried/counted how many players for whether it's gonna be a final 2 or 3 before. I'm not exactly saying you're wrong here, but I'm not convinced of this part.

Reply coolkyledude, June 30th, 2015, 7:46 pm

@anime9001:

MAJOR DANGANRONPA SPOILERS INSIDE!

Hmm. That definitely changes things, no doubt. I'd argue, however, that there are a few possible reasons that that wouldn't necessarily apply here. For example, maybe SWSU hadn't had Jake in mind when answering that, or maybe the 18th contestant (if it's not Jake himself) is not officially in the game (similar to how Enoshima, while a part of the school, was not truly a part of the game). It's still something to keep in mind though, so thanks for that.

END OF MAJOR DANGANRONPA SPOILERS

Another thing I realized is that we can't necessarily rule out applicants yet. I think we can both agree that Stagg is near the center of this mystery, yet he himself is an applicant. He's probably the exception to the rule, maybe with a convenient death in his bio that SWSU perhaps wanted to take advantage of, but it's still something to think about.

Anyway, what you're saying is - correct me if I'm wrong here - that the mastermind behind Jake is someone from the F12 of the season. I'm going to extend that to all 17 members of the cast for argument's sake, and just to cover all the bases. We can probably rule out any anthros from being the mastermind, because it was a human who killed Stagg's parents.

This leaves Mikah, John, Adeline, Thorne, Ivan, Mac, Yukie, Liz, Jojo, Desmond and Amelia. Eleven possibilities. I'll further separate out the applicants because, like you said, they probably don't have anything related to Stagg's parents in their bios.

Mikah, John, Yukie, Liz and Jojo remain. If we assume that they have to have been in the F12, that rules out Hunter and Mikah.

This leaves only Yukie, Jojo and Liz. All three of whom have connections to Jake. Yukie, for being the only one to outwardly comment on the amount of people playing the season, Jojo for being the person Jake disguised as in episode 3 causing her to be targeted, and by extension Liz for knowing Jojo pre-game.

Real quick, here's proof that the Jojo that spoke to Stagg in episode 3 was not, in fact, Liz: http://sfc.smackjeeves.com/comics/2115674/sfc14-day-7-scrambled-tribes/. In panel 12, Liz herself warns Jojo about being targeted, and clearly neither know about the incident. In addition, I don't personally think that Jojo and Liz would've wanted to target each other at that point so they had no reason to go behind each other's backs.

That's the reason I think we can also rule out Jojo and Liz. That leaves only Yukie. She wrote the whole season, she probably knows something about Jake. On the contrary though, she also was Stagg's closest ally at one point, the reason Jake left in that TC for being the only person to notice the discrepancy between the tribes, as well as being who Jake himself voted for.

Personally, I still think there's a secret 18th contestant with something against Stagg, but I can't say I'm totally sure one way or the other. I think Yukie will be the key to the characters figuring out what's going on, but I don't think she herself is the perpetrator.

Reply what about... (Guest), June 30th, 2015, 9:14 pm

@coolkyledude:
Amelia? ;)
(Hint hint, she is attending school!!)

Reply coolkyledude, June 30th, 2015, 11:59 pm

@what about...: I mean, we know for a fact that she's pure evil, but I don't think she's necessarily capable of masterminding anything.

Reply qazox, June 29th, 2015, 10:31 pm

Desmond's too arrogant for someone skating on such thin ice.

Reply anime9001, June 29th, 2015, 11:53 pm

That's a very....interesting way to view the game. It's a pretty arrogant way to view it as well, but at least he's not showing it as much, and it makes him more interesting. It almost makes you want to like Desmond :p

Edit: Actually, this is also interesting because Stagg's game is the exact opposite. He's focusing on the physical aspect while Desmond is focusing on the mental, while they both have the potential to do both. Huh, didn't see that one coming.

Reply coolkyledude, June 30th, 2015, 2:30 am

@anime9001: I guess Desmond is Stagg's post-merge Hunter. I actually kind of like how they're each others' foils.

Reply SkySurfer (Guest), June 30th, 2015, 7:35 am

Desmond can never be as lazy as Amelia is and Melanie showed us once that sitting out challenges can still win you the title of sole survivor. It's just that without winning immunity he cannot pull the same stunt as previous night. I hope Desmond realizes that soon enough

Reply sonofhades (Guest), June 30th, 2015, 9:50 am

Desmond is gone this episode. Some of his arrogance is justified, but not enough of it. Stagg's pretty much guaranteed Immunity this time around, so he could easily stamp out Desmond. Or Amelia. Just saying.

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