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SFC12 Day 31 Tribal Council

January 28th, 2014, 9:37 pm

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Author's Comments:

Reply SWSU-Master, January 28th, 2014, 10:00 pm

Zero. The Countdown is over Enter is eliminated, and not a moment too soon.

Now where do I start with Enter.... been quite the talk for some time hasn't he? I actually expected a reaction similar to what I got. Maybe not as extreme, but a severe dislike for him.

There were several experiments that I was trying to run with Enter. The first one, is something that I get in Applications alot. The Characters that have superpowers that can help them in the game. Enter pretty much exemplified this to a ridiculous degree, and this is WHY I don't include characters like that, and if I do, they get taken out VERY Early. Thats also why I had him being the key antagonist of the season. Since... his actions were cheating, he wasn't taking the game seriously and he was irritating everyone to where the entire cast had to band together. Plus I got to show off Jeffs douchey side, which is something I always wanted to do :P And how he.... lets certain things slide for the favorites.

The second was something that I was always interested in. Several times I tried to make a character that would be universally disliked. Mainly Bonnie for this example. But throughout the season, they would get more and more supporters, and I felt a portion of that was because the viewers were able to see what they were thinking, and possibly side with them against other characters they didn't like. By having Enter have no confessionals up until this point. Not only did I leave more focus for the characters who would eventually outlast him, instead of constant CPNN5's every episode, but the other reason is.... I didn't want Enter to be rooted for, and by not letting the viewers see his insight and plans, he was never a character that was relatable too, and he became an obstacle that needed to be overcame. I feel like that experiment was a success.

And Believe it or not. Enter was not the pinnacle character of the season. They will be revealed later. Enters goal was to set up the endgame, without having all of the players remaining hated. (Since normally large mobs in SFC Tend to be disliked). and for the Record, I know this was mentioned several times of "Enter has stayed too long" and all the variations surrounding it. I will explain why that couldnt be the case. I needed to establish him and set up the Idol Cheating, which means he's there until Episode 4. In later rounds Cleopatra and Kims alliance needed to be set up and established, and without Enter in the mix they wouldnt have been as unified. After Episode 6. Every boot needed to happen. Bernie and Sharker had no place in the endgame. Bowser needed his downfall at that time, because Enter needed to last for Maggie to pull her sacrifice. But after that. It was time for him to go.

I've covered most of my reasoning here, but if there is anything else you want to yell at me for. Go ahead and I'll answer.

User's Comments:

Reply rac567 (Guest), January 28th, 2014, 10:03 pm

Yes Enter is gone!!! I gotta admit though he exit in style.

Reply rac567 (Guest), January 28th, 2014, 10:07 pm

Enter's big ego eventually lead to his downfall. If he took the others more seriously, he would not have been caught off guard by their plan and eliminated.

Reply Friend of Fennecs, January 28th, 2014, 10:09 pm

All together, now! Ding-dong, the witch is dead ~ Which old witch? The wicked witch! ~ Ding-dong, the wicked witch is deeeeeaaaaad!

SWSU, you succeeded at everything you intended. Not only did you prove your point about overpowered characters, but you also made a very hateable villain. Well done. I suppose getting us all sick of him was a good way to make his boot even sweeter, too.

Reply Fern111 (Guest), January 28th, 2014, 10:09 pm

I am probably as happy as I could ever be with this comic.

This is like when Sandra started talking at the HVV FTC it's just perfection.

Finally though he's gone.

Predictions for the rest of the REAL game.

8th: Robbie has no real storylines now becaus he ended his feud with SB and well he's nice and all but Kim/Mike are going to flip to the girl's side.

7th: Cleo. This is where Shelby makes her biggest move and sides with Lola/SB/Mike to vote off Cleo and take control.

6th: Yvonne goes because Kim uses idol on herself and well Yvonne goes in a split vote.

5th: Shelby sticks with SB/Lola and votes off Mike for being too likeable.

4th: Shelby pulls off an immunity and Kim goes because anyone that thinks Kim is getting anything else than 4th then theyre wrong.

Shelby wins for being the last fan and because the other 2 are too wacky and pull a GM at the FTC.

Reply Vilecheese, January 28th, 2014, 10:10 pm

Yaaaaay, I'll start posting again!

Question: Why do you need to make a hated character in the first place? To the point where they ruin the season?

Reply sesareee, January 28th, 2014, 10:12 pm

WOW, just wow, after reading all what you wrote up there, I realize that what you did with Enter was a great job, really, everything you said just answered all my questions somehow

Reply sesareee, January 28th, 2014, 10:14 pm

@Vilecheese: maybe so theres more drama, lol!
and ha I knew you were still reading the comic just not leaving a comentary

Reply SWSU-Master, January 28th, 2014, 10:15 pm

Fennecs: I may have gone a bit overboard on the getting sick part though XD
Vilecheese: Because I wanted to see if I could. Because with some characters like Bonnie, and Minerva (at the time), some people started really defending them, in an almost "Liking them because they're disliked" way, and with how solid everyone was against Enter. I did NOT want the reaction to be "Enter is so bullied by everyone;___;" And alot with Enter.... I dont think he will be as bad on reread once the season is over. Since when I was writing for him. I knew he would be hated, but not as extreme, but thats because I knew he wasn't in the endgame, while for alot of comments I read. There was a real fear he would be there until the end.

Reply qazox, January 28th, 2014, 10:15 pm

So my guess at Final 3: Cleo, Kim and somehow Mike or Robbie.

Reply sesareee, January 28th, 2014, 10:16 pm

@SWSU-Master: BTW are you gonna answer our questions down here again like you used to do, or just on this comic?

Reply SWSU-Master, January 28th, 2014, 10:18 pm

sesaree: I will if there is a question, but I felt my responses were a bit ingenuine when I was just replying to "lol thats funny" comments with "yeahs" or "XD"

Reply Vilecheese, January 28th, 2014, 10:28 pm

@SWSU-Master: Yeah, but why did you want to see if you could make an utterly detestable character whose presence brings the season down if it...brings the season down? Did you want people to not appreciate your work? I don't get it.

Reply Congo (Guest), January 28th, 2014, 10:29 pm

hahahahahahaha. enter sure knows how to make an exit!

not sure what else to say, since enter was pretty much a storyline black hole recently. it's an interesting experiment in seeing how one character can dominate screentime without confessionals, i guess!

does enter ever show up at ponderosa? i know you don't do those comics anymore, but...

Reply Vilecheese, January 28th, 2014, 10:31 pm

Also I felt that, like with Bonnie Enter's presence has overly centralized the cast to obsess over him, to be defined by their relations to him, so in a sense they have suffered as well. They haven't developed very well because of it IMO. I'm not really a fan of anyone left in the game. :(

Reply lrodnelson32, January 28th, 2014, 10:35 pm

He's finally gone. And good riddens!!!

I have to say that I really like this Final 8. The rest of the season should be really intersting. But it's obvious at this point that a fan character will be the winner.

Reply SWSU-Master, January 28th, 2014, 10:36 pm

Vilecheese: Like I said I expected him to be hated, but not AS hated as he was. But for the rest of the cast. They do all have their bonds that have developed over the game. Robbie/Lola/Spongebob. Kim/Cleo, Mike/Spongebob, Lola/Shelby, Cleo/Shelby, Shelby/Yvonne/Cleopatra

Congo: He only arrives like 5 minutes before leaving. But its not like he'd be very popular there anyway.

Reply anime9001, January 28th, 2014, 11:22 pm

I have to say, his exit was flashy, but it neglected the mental meltdown I was hoping for. Oh well.

And as for your goals with Enter, while I'm sure some of us don't exactly agree with your choices (as Vilecheese is widely expressing), I see that you have attempted this with several characters in the past, not only with Minerva and Bonnie, but probably with Juiced and Clause and probably a few other characters as well, and I have to say that I really respect your choice with that. It's very difficult for writers to write something for the sole purpose to make it dispised. I also respect how you're testing your abilities with each passing season. Well done.

Meanwhile, I have a question of my own. Is there any chance we could have ponderosa comics again in the future? Honestly, those were some of my favorite comics back when you used to do them. And, I guess while you're answering stuff, I sent an application for a character a few months before this season started I believe. I understand if you don't want to use the character or anything (he wasn't too creative anyway), but can I know if you got it and/or if there's any chance you're going to use him in the future? If not I'd be glad to think up another character or two, but I can't tell if there's any chance you might use that one yet.

Reply Friend of Fennecs, January 28th, 2014, 11:37 pm

@anime9001: Speaking of the latter, I've also got a character I sent in but never got a reply about. Considering that the reply to a previous PM of mine seems to have been eaten as well, I'm a little concerned that there might be some kind of bug.

As for Ponderosa comics, I'd be interested in seeing them again. They're a good chance to see the jurors interact and develop more, and can be nice when an episode has been intense and we need a bit of a break.

Reply SWSU-Master, January 28th, 2014, 11:43 pm

First off for the Apps. I have them all, they're all in consideration still. I just havent started casting yet, and if they dont make it into one season they're on hold for the next. And for most PM's. I dont send out confirmation replies, because with how many I get it would take up alot of time.

And for Ponderosa. That is very split. I have half the Audience that loves it, and the other half that hates it. I stopped doing it in 9 because with Bonnie, it wouldnt have been that dynamic since they'd be like "Prescilla ftw" After a certain point, and then have all of that voided at Tribals. So I dont know if I WILL do them again, its iffy.

Reply AhAlpaca (Guest), January 28th, 2014, 11:54 pm

Is vile really complaining about someone trying to make the most hated character?? alol.

Reply SkySurfer (Guest), January 29th, 2014, 12:00 am

Freaking... finally...
Enter had a very promising start when he build up his rivalry with Phoenix and used psychology as his main weapon. His character and attitude were excellent but the moment he created his first idol copy, he started his terrible downward trend. It would have been easier to accept if he got punished at least once for what he was doing (like Wrecker in SFC 7) because I kept thinking that Jeff was holding something back and that's why he didn't react to all protests.

SWSU, I went through your explanation and I can somehow understand why you did this "Enter experiment". It was worth a try and looking back onto our reactions you got what you wanted. However... please don't do something that extreme again ;) I guess most of us readers prefer it when the villains don't rely on a god mode but on real qualities to take out the heroes or rivals.

It's probably Kim vs Cleopatra alliance now. I wonder how Yvonne imagined to get Lola into the other alliance because I doubt that she would drop everything just for Shelby

Oh and btw... I enjoyed the Ponderosa comics as well and would appreciate it if we see them again

Reply RevRewEEK (Guest), January 29th, 2014, 12:49 am

(posting here since you never seem to rely to my questions on devientart) 1.) Anyone else getting the feeling that in grand AA fashion Yvonne will turn out to me a huge criminal mastermind that's been using Enter as a cover for her own machinations, its both the meatsheild comment and the fact that cleo and shelby seem to be way to obvious, Kim and mike would be OOC from what we've seen at this point and Lola Robbie and SpongeBob ... just no. So yeah that's my prediction ^.^

2.) Have you gotten any of the apps I've sent from Devart

3. PLEASE MORE PONDEROSA

Reply Timeheart, January 29th, 2014, 1:51 am

Ding Dong, The cheater's gone.

Reply LordViking, January 29th, 2014, 3:38 am

You succeeded in your attempt to make a commonly disliked character. Even doing so without going over the top. Sure, he was overpowered, cheating and a nuisance, but it was done without making him a bland and uninteresting character.
I doubt that anyone, even when the season is over and reread, will like him, but he wasn't boring.

And while there is talk about applications. I was thinking of sending in two characters, but since they are each others choice for a visit (I am not expecting both to make it into a season, if they ever show up at all) would you prefer it if I send both applications in one message or two separate ones?

Reply lrodnelson32, January 29th, 2014, 4:05 am

@RevRewEEK: I was thinking that Yvonne is going to end up being a huge player. It just seems like she's hiding something.

Reply Robolax7, January 29th, 2014, 5:08 am

...why didn't I see this coming?

Reply SWSU-Master, January 29th, 2014, 6:37 am

@RevRewEEK: Yes I have gotten all of them

Reply sonofhades (Guest), January 29th, 2014, 7:26 am

Well, this was the best thing I could have woken up to. Oh, and I called the idol decay thing. Now it's just down to seeing who can rise from the mob. I'm foreseeing a Cleo/Lola/Kim final three, but that's just wishful thinking.

Reply firepoisonsteel (Guest), January 29th, 2014, 7:35 am

im the only one who liked enter, he, was awesome I my opinion, mainly because of his story lines and setups and I thought that it will be a little lest interesting, oh well, enters the best, I think that its going to focus around a kim vs cleo allience

Reply [insert generic username], January 29th, 2014, 6:29 pm

The only question I have is whether or not Maggie kept destroying idols when they started corrupting, and whether those corrupted idols counted.

Reply Missalice3, January 29th, 2014, 7:46 pm

Oh HALLELUJAH! I'm so glad Enter is gone, but now to talk about game.
I did hate Enter, but you perfected his role, you did something really new and it was a huge risk, because a lot of people hate on Enter and that risks the season, but he was the perfect antagonist, his downfall was perfect and I'm glad Maggie's sacrifice payed off in the end. :)
I didn't like Enter, but he is one of the best antagonists ever in SFC.
Since I have to bet on a winner, I don't see Kim winning now because for me to see her winning, her AND Enter had to go deep into the game, so she could pull of this drastic move.
I hate to break it, but I don't think Shelby is winning, because she is a likable and interesting character, but I feel this season was not made for her to win it, it doesn't seem like it in my opinion.
Spongebob and Lola are not winning, because they are both comedy relief, and we already had a winner like that in Ker.
Mike will make finale, but he will either be one from FTC, or he will lose in FTC, he will have to pull of something crazy to win this season, but I'm still rooting for him kind of.
If Yvonne wins, it's going to be a nightmare, she's too delusional, I hope she goes next, her personality just bugs me.
It's between Cleo and Robbie to win this, but I think in the end Robbie will win, he's in good graces with everybody, and also he does provide something new, he isn't good at physical challenges: Yes, Cherman isn't good at physical challenges, but Robbie is liked by everyone and I think he can manage to make finale and win.
Cleo is soooo likable, I really think she can win the season if she keeps doing what she is doing, but she needs to cut Kim if she wants to win, because they are close, also, like Barney, her and Kim have a connection together.
But to me, there is one factor left in my opinion: Whoever gets Kim out gets A TON of jury votes, because she is the biggest threat now.
Also, no one has a guess who will be a the pinnacle character will be: My bet is Mike, because every character has been noticed, Mike has been as well, but he fades in and out at times, which would make him HUGE at this point.

Reply sonofhades (Guest), January 29th, 2014, 9:47 pm

So let's take bets on the new hate sink! I'm laying money on Yvonne and Shelby in that order!

Reply golden (Guest), February 1st, 2014, 7:46 am

I was half-expecting that Enter would copy the immunity necklace. And Probst would allow it.

Reply lucasmaximo15, June 20th, 2015, 11:48 pm

i can reast on peace now that the witch is dead :D

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