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SFC7 Day 39 FTC Jury Questions

February 17th, 2011, 10:52 pm

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Reply SWSU-Master, February 17th, 2011, 10:59 pm

Everyone has said their peace, and now its deciding time.

User's Comments:

Reply Shard, February 17th, 2011, 11:04 pm

From what I've gathered, Wrecker has Chloe, Ryuia, Dinah and Phil... Ker has Vent, Quad, Krauss and Chrii... so it looks like a tie, I guess? Someone'll prolly vote differently, or it'll be a tiebreaker, or I didn't count someone on the jury.

...blah I dunno. This kinda reminds me of the red flag that Gate wasn't gonna win since he didn't think much of his game, but then again that's the way Ker is and that WAS her game, so I'm not sure.

...augh. Overanalyzing. Bluh.

Reply AkumaTh, February 17th, 2011, 11:07 pm

Hopefully people took Vent's words to heart. Ker did out play and out witted. She was in a minority and lived to see the end, and all without burning bridges.

Reply KrayTX (Guest), February 17th, 2011, 11:07 pm

Is it wrong to say Ker has won? BTW love your avvie, pirate sentai FTW!

Reply SkylerJ, February 17th, 2011, 11:08 pm

<3<3<3 Ventx100000000

truly a good soul and a good sport. I expect a tie tommorrow with Chrii, Krauss, Quad and Vent for Ker while the rest for Wrecker

Reply Vilecheese, February 17th, 2011, 11:26 pm

Wow, deep stuff... I'll analyze this by question.

Dinah: Wrecker provided a better answer, point-blank.

Ryuia: Ker's points made no sense, what does winning immunity at F6-3 have to do with succeeding as a tribe?

Krauss: You got completely and utterly Wrecked. <3

Phil: And she admits it; no strategic game. Ugh, this is why I don't want Ker to win either. She basically just floated along, doing whatever and having no plan except to be nice. At least other UTRP/MORP winners explicitly strategize to BE UTRP.

Chloe: This one was funny. Probably the first time Ker actually sounded plausible.

Quadratic: Lying is hugely important in games of strategy and it can be tough to master. So not voting Wrecker because he lied in the game a lot is incredibly stupid.

Chrii: Lol, both failed this one.

Ventious: He's the Eric, huh? Well I'll admit, he brought up some great points. But the one thing he missed is that, in order to win, you must appeal to the most jurors. The things that Ventious wants in a winner may not be the same as what the majority wants, and it is smarter for a finalist to play to the majority than to Vent.

*Waves Wrecker flag*

Reply SWSU-Master, February 17th, 2011, 11:34 pm

Shard: Ker and GM played the jury very differently
AkumaTh: And that is SO hard to do
KrayTX: Goukaiger ftw
SkylerJ: If that happens, how will it be broken?
VIlecheese: Nobody has this locked up by a long shot

Reply the truth (Guest), February 17th, 2011, 11:48 pm

lol @ vc's transparent wreckunt bias in his analysis.

Reply Ginka (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 12:00 am

Okay, being a wee bit nit picky, but Wrecker called Ryuia a him.

But yeah, I'm gonna go with a 4-4 tie.

Reply Vilecheese, February 18th, 2011, 12:12 am

@the truth If the bias was transparent, wouldn't that mean you couldn't see it though?

And it's not my fault that Ker's about as good at answering jury questions as Gatemaster. :)

Reply SkySurfer (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 12:26 am

Ventious even now wins some awesomeness points. I doubt he gets someone of the Wrecker voters to the other side but that's ok.

Chloe got owned again, I so love to see that...

The other jury questions are interesting to see as well but it's pretty obvious almost all of them already had their personal winner and their questions were just meant to tease the other finalist.

Or better say this means Ker as Wrecker sure didn't bother winning the Ker voters

@Vilecheese:
Nothing to say against being a Wrecker fan, he's a true fighter. But you gotta admit: If Quad didn't choose to keep him when they voted out Krauss and Chrii or if Ker took Phil instead of him he wouldn't be there. There was some luck behind it as well

Reply the truth (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 12:38 am

@ vc um no, it doesn't. it means your bias is obviously showing through your "analysis."

and lol @ ker having bad answers when wreckunt's were just as bad. more of that bias i see. and i'm not even rooting for ker, but the more i read your posts, the more i reconsider it.
: )

Reply mydoctor93, February 18th, 2011, 1:54 am

OMG. MAJOR. VENT. OWNAGE.

That is all.

Reply mydoctor93, February 18th, 2011, 2:13 am

@Vilecheese As you expected, I don't agree with what you said about their jury speeches, so I'm gonna do a rebuttal of every single part of your analysis.

Dinah: Wrecker provided a better answer, point-blank. -> Quantity does not necessarily equal quality.

Ryuia: Ker's points made no sense, what does winning immunity at F6-3 have to do with succeeding as a tribe? -> Ryuia's question makes even less sense. She's saying that as if it's Ker's fault that Ho'Aku lost so much, when it isn't.

Krauss: You got completely and utterly Wrecked. <3 -> So if Wrecker gets extremely cocky, it's Wrecking someone else? I don't see it.

Phil: And she admits it; no strategic game. Ugh, this is why I don't want Ker to win either. She basically just floated along, doing whatever and having no plan except to be nice. At least other UTRP/MORP winners explicitly strategize to BE UTRP. -> She always stayed true to herself, never pretended to be something else, and most importantly, did not Amber or Amanda the entire way. For instance, when her name came up at the vote, she took action, and that resulted in the Corsonians choosing Chloe instead of her. I think you're horribly discrediting Ker's social game here, like Russhole did to Natalie and Sandra's games.

Chloe: This one was funny. Probably the first time Ker actually sounded plausible. -> Ker OWNED Chloe here, kind of like how Montana owned Isaac, but in a different way.

Quadratic: Lying is hugely important in games of strategy and it can be tough to master. So not voting Wrecker because he lied in the game a lot is incredibly stupid. -> Remember that Quad's just going to spite vote for Ker because he got blindsided. And I don't like the way you're suggesting that Wrecker mastered the art of lying, which he totally did NOT; for instance, the last castaway who made multiple F3/F2 deals was Russhole, and we all know how that went. (Oh, and Wrecker fails to distinguish a) the fact that Quadratic was the one who asked the question by saying, not "you", but "Quadratic", and b) Ryuia's gender.)

Chrii: Lol, both failed this one. -> The question was kind of pointless, since she was just trying to confirm what she already knew.

Ventious: He's the Eric, huh? Well I'll admit, he brought up some great points. But the one thing he missed is that, in order to win, you must appeal to the most jurors. The things that Ventious wants in a winner may not be the same as what the majority wants, and it is smarter for a finalist to play to the majority than to Vent. -> As said in my comment above, Ventious OWNED Wrecker AND the jury in his speech. You're suggesting that Ker should pointlessly convince the Corsonians to vote for her when they have absolutely no intention of doing so. What Vent is telling them (and us) is that they should clear their heads of their bias for or against anyone, and think about who really deserves that title, and I think that kind of approach is definitely respectable, if not UTTERLY AMAZING.

Also, STOP SUCKING UP WRECKER'S A** FOR INCOMPREHENSIBLE REASONS.

*holds up sign saying "Ker is #1!!!"*

That is all.

Reply touileasaso (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 4:11 am

Ventownage! My favorite line: "The alliances will be over tonight." Here's hoping Vent managed to crack it through his allies' thick skulls. *crosses fingers*

Reply Djoing, February 18th, 2011, 4:28 am

Told ya vent wouldn't vote Wrecker.

Reply mydoctor93, February 18th, 2011, 4:29 am

@Djoing Yup. You totally called it. I suppose a lot of others called it as well.

Reply LordViking, February 18th, 2011, 4:33 am

Ryuia's question wasn't a question, unless she never got around asking it before walking away. Ventious' speech might have worked on her seeing how she said Ker wasn't a good person.
Cloe's question was just a badly disguised insult, and Ker took it with a smile and annoyed her instead. Good job on Ker's part.
Dinah is the biggest swing vote here and possibly Ryuia depending if Ventious got through to her.

Reply Chaun, February 18th, 2011, 5:02 am

Phil was fishing for a "Voting you out silly"

Also, in the first panel of Wrecker listing his lies, he addresses Ryuia as "him"

Reply Masteroftheives, February 18th, 2011, 5:08 am

Man, Ventious had an impressive jury speech. Sometimes I wonder why I think he's a cool character.

Also, i'm going to just go ahead and agree with all of mydoctor's points. I honestly think that Ker has more of a chance to win then Wrecker does.

Reply mydoctor93, February 18th, 2011, 5:19 am

@Masteroftheives Why, thank you! ^o^

Reply Tailsgod, February 18th, 2011, 5:52 am

Go wrecker!

Reply crazybob, February 18th, 2011, 7:20 am

i would vote for ker not because of her game or her character but because wrecker broke rules to win.

i just saw a commercial advertising samurai power rangers so i think then next one will be pirate power rangers. they have done everything else...

Reply Tinyhammer (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 8:01 am

Ventious' jury speech was awesome! :D Chloe's jury speech? Not so much. >__>

It would be close but I am still rooting for Ker.

Reply cRaZyKiD (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 9:26 am

Can you make a secret comic where Phil dies a gruesome slow death? I hate him. I want his entire family dead. Ugly smelly homo faggot that he is

Reply AkumaTh, February 18th, 2011, 9:54 am

@cRaZyKiD He lives in the Left 4 Dead world, and in that world Karma gets you. So expect him to be attacked by a Hunter followed by a Tank and a Witch when he goes back.

Reply Vilecheese, February 18th, 2011, 9:57 am

@mydoctor YAY DEBATES!

Dinah: She specifically asked what each finalist did to survive the premerge. Ker's answer was just that she DID survive the premerge. The Russell point is plausible, but "I survived a slaughter of the my team" isn't properly answering the question. Dinah wanted to know what she did to survive that slaughter.

Ryuia: I'll agree that Ryuia's question is delusional. Doesn't mean Ker did a good job answering it though.

Krauss: Wrecker doesn't need Krauss' vote, and he knows it. Sky and Marius did similar things, and they were EPIC.

Phil: Wow, I never caught that Chloe play, that's worth a little credit there. However, Ker's social game is nothing like Natalie and Sandra's. For starters, the rival team actually LIKED Natalie and Sandra. Ker's knowledge of Corsona is admirable, but that's only half of a good social game.

Chloe: Chloe OWNED Ker too, saying that her social game sucked. I wouldn't say Ker's social game sucked, but it is highly overrated.

Quadratic: Obviously Quad's not going to vote Wrecker, he's trying to get other people to not vote for him by exposing him as an "evil liar". And you provided no evidence on how Wrecker wasn't a good liar; making multiple F3-F2 deals doesn't automatically make you a bad liar (Drake did it well, remember? He just got screwed by the Tribal Swap). As for the last two things, those were typos. Lol.

Chrii: Agreed. Still, they failed. And it was funny.

Ventious: Ker HAS to convince a member of the Super Seven other than Vent/Quad in order to win. She did a bad job of convincing them. I mean, Phil was sort of an ally with her, she could've tried to pull him over, but she didn't do as good a job as he liked. In short, Ker never really tried to sell herself the way half the voters wanted her to.

Wrecker on the other hand already had five people he thought were on his side (he didn't know about Ventious) and provided decent arguments (yes, I'll admit, his answers weren't AMAZING, just better than Ker's). He could've probably given Vent a good argument too, but he never got the chance to.

Playing for 5 jurors > playing for 3 jurors.

Plus, there are ways that Wrecker deserves the title over Ker that have nothing to do with alliance bias. His supporters capitalized on those, not the fact that he was a Corsonian. Except Ryuia, but she's delusional, lol.

Reply Lasercatz, February 18th, 2011, 11:29 am

You know, I thought Phil would be like "the only person allowed to beat me" with Ker. I'm disapointed, Bruce Springstein-soul patch aside. (The Boss <3)

But I don't think Wrecker will win. Why? Well, we didn't get the "villain protagonist" vibe that we got from Skylar and Marius. Sure, he blew shit up pre-merge, but he didn't really do anything until the merge.

Reply touileasaso (Guest), February 18th, 2011, 1:12 pm

@Lasercatz You brought up a good point about the "villain protagonist" vibe. Who knows? Maybe you're right.

Reply SWSU-Master, February 18th, 2011, 3:50 pm

Ginka: If it is a tie, you'll see tommorow
SkySurfer: What you said about them is sooo true
mydoctor: *Looks at next post* Obviously not.
toul: It'll be hard, but if anyone can do it, Vent can.
Djoing: Good call
LordViking: It all lies with Dinah here
Chaun: Maybe he thinks shes a tranny.
MasterofT: We'll know for sure very soon
Tailsgod: Keep hope alive for him
crazybobL Actually its Samurai-Angels-Pirates
Tinyhammer: It WILL be close
cRaZy: Akuma said it perfectly
Lasercatz: Good point, but it may be misdirection

Reply mydoctor93, February 18th, 2011, 4:20 pm

@Vilecheese More debates!

Dinah: If you look at it closely, Both of Ker and Wrecker's speeches basically rephrased their opening speeches, and while Wrecker's response was slightly longer, Ker's response contained a new point.

Ryuia: Point taken.

Krauss: I don't think that it was HALF as epic as Marius telling Greg not to vote for him, considering a) the fact that Greg was M and Krauss was P, b) the other finalist's facial reactions, and c) Wrecker just admitted that he couldn't get Krauss's vote no matter how hard he tried, he didn't say "PLEASE don't vote for me".

Phil: Well, as Vent points out, the Corsonians basically seemed to have an irreversible ruthlessness against their enemies (that is, ALL OF THEM), and you can't do anything about that. Also, unlike Natalie or Sandra, Ker is in a F2 situation against another member of the rival team. Guess who the rival team's going to vote against?

Chloe: I personally think it was more "I don't like you" than "WE don't like you" because she was the only one who was openly vocal and venomous about how Ker was stupid and sucked at everything. In short: she's Corinne Kaplan in panda form. Ignore her.

Quadratic: Let's remember that Wrecker lied making F2 deals with multiple people ON THE JURY, and Wrecker is IN THE F2; saying especially about a F2 with DINAH wasn't exactly what I'd call great jury management, as she's "mad at all of them".

Chrii: Point taken.

Ventious: You say that as if Wrecker was the ONLY finalist who didn't know about Ventious. Neither did Ker. Let's remember the point Vent made that the Corsonians were basically bent on getting their enemies out. If Ker was able to sway Ventious on her side with THAT bad of an opposition, I'd call it good enough.

I'd say that Phil was the only one who brought out the issue that Wrecker played a better strategic game, BUT, burning the idol was basically crossing the line, as said in the comic's title in which showed him burn it, so it's not exactly the best argument ever.

Oh, and lastly, "Phil was sort of an ally with [Ker]"? Come on. It was one-sided; Phil was basically using Ker to her advantage (one of his confessionals said that Ker could be a helpful jury vote) and said bullshit to sway Ker into taking him into the F2, while Ker, in the end, didn't take it too much seriously, thought logically, and voted him out.

Reply QJD, March 30th, 2011, 4:44 pm

Thank god i skipped Vent's speech. Something tells me i would've been bored to tears.

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